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		<title>By: Kizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, I often feel like I&#039;d like to watch a lot of movies once just to watch them and not think about all the implications and then when I watch a second time I&#039;ll think about all of that. There are so many movies out there in the world, though! I don&#039;t even have time to watch them all once!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, I often feel like I&#8217;d like to watch a lot of movies once just to watch them and not think about all the implications and then when I watch a second time I&#8217;ll think about all of that. There are so many movies out there in the world, though! I don&#8217;t even have time to watch them all once!</p>
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		<title>By: Kizz</title>
		<link>http://pleasepassthepopcorn.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/the-munich-proof/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Kizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but your turd has better vocabulary! (I&#039;m not even going to go to the dictionary, next time we&#039;re out, 3 beers in I&#039;m making you define tsuris for me off the top of your head.) I didn&#039;t think you were trying to bust on me, all that came totally from the inside, I realize that. You just got to be the pretty, pretty catalyst. 

I love the idea of subjective morality and I wish there had been a little more in depth exploration of it in the film. There was a lot and I appreciated it but we were shown a lot of teasers, sort of, and not shown enough of them strung together. Maybe that&#039;s the point, maybe morality is subjective right in the moment and it&#039;s hard to bring it away into larger life or to say what you&#039;ll do when a new situation comes up.  

I agree about the Proof adaptation. I spent yesterday grilling JRH about the play since she teaches it in her math classes and lets them watch the movie as well and it&#039;s just as dumbed down as I expected, maybe a little more even. By the way, you should read the play if you haven&#039;t because the Hal part would be really nice for you. You and I are both a little old for the show but we could knock that shit out of the park, I think. There is an immense level of intellect in the specifics of Auburn&#039;s writing and the format of the movie dulled that rather than polished it which was sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but your turd has better vocabulary! (I&#8217;m not even going to go to the dictionary, next time we&#8217;re out, 3 beers in I&#8217;m making you define tsuris for me off the top of your head.) I didn&#8217;t think you were trying to bust on me, all that came totally from the inside, I realize that. You just got to be the pretty, pretty catalyst. </p>
<p>I love the idea of subjective morality and I wish there had been a little more in depth exploration of it in the film. There was a lot and I appreciated it but we were shown a lot of teasers, sort of, and not shown enough of them strung together. Maybe that&#8217;s the point, maybe morality is subjective right in the moment and it&#8217;s hard to bring it away into larger life or to say what you&#8217;ll do when a new situation comes up.  </p>
<p>I agree about the Proof adaptation. I spent yesterday grilling JRH about the play since she teaches it in her math classes and lets them watch the movie as well and it&#8217;s just as dumbed down as I expected, maybe a little more even. By the way, you should read the play if you haven&#8217;t because the Hal part would be really nice for you. You and I are both a little old for the show but we could knock that shit out of the park, I think. There is an immense level of intellect in the specifics of Auburn&#8217;s writing and the format of the movie dulled that rather than polished it which was sad.</p>
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		<title>By: mabnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mabnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw geez, didja have to drag me into this?  I don&#039;t know nothin&#039; &#039;bout nothin&#039;.

I didn&#039;t mean to cause you any tsuris.  I think my one-liner (or was it a two-liner?) was taken to mean something it wasn&#039;t.  I was referring more to the intensity and complexity (which you noted) of the film, not to any deep meaning that you wouldn&#039;t be able to &quot;get&quot; unless you concentrated really hard.  It&#039;s not &quot;2001&quot; or &quot;Last Year at Marienbad&quot;.  It&#039;s just a film that makes you think about subjective morality, that&#039;s all.  And there are a lot of characters in it.  And it&#039;s violent.  Not something to watch on a night when you just want pure entertainment but not like taking medicine either.

As for &quot;Proof&quot;, I found it to be a less-than-skillful adaptation of a stage play.  There are some movies that you watch and can peg as adaptations even if you didn&#039;t know beforehand.  This was one of those.  The language, the pacing, the need to &quot;open up&quot; the settings.  I&#039;m sure the play was terrific onstage.  (I had meant to see it but never did.)  But I found the movie to be a bit flat and under-developed, as if John Madden wasn&#039;t quite sure what to do with the material he was provided.  I didn&#039;t think it was bad.  I just expected a bit more.  I&#039;m always a bit disappointed when a film&#039;s level of artistry can&#039;t match its level of intellect.

And speaking of intellect, yours is fine, dear.  You&#039;re one of the more astute persons I know and your views are perfectly valid, as if you or anyone else needed me to validate anything.  Which you don&#039;t.  Mine is just one more turd on the dungheap of opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw geez, didja have to drag me into this?  I don&#8217;t know nothin&#8217; &#8217;bout nothin&#8217;.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to cause you any tsuris.  I think my one-liner (or was it a two-liner?) was taken to mean something it wasn&#8217;t.  I was referring more to the intensity and complexity (which you noted) of the film, not to any deep meaning that you wouldn&#8217;t be able to &#8220;get&#8221; unless you concentrated really hard.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;2001&#8243; or &#8220;Last Year at Marienbad&#8221;.  It&#8217;s just a film that makes you think about subjective morality, that&#8217;s all.  And there are a lot of characters in it.  And it&#8217;s violent.  Not something to watch on a night when you just want pure entertainment but not like taking medicine either.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;Proof&#8221;, I found it to be a less-than-skillful adaptation of a stage play.  There are some movies that you watch and can peg as adaptations even if you didn&#8217;t know beforehand.  This was one of those.  The language, the pacing, the need to &#8220;open up&#8221; the settings.  I&#8217;m sure the play was terrific onstage.  (I had meant to see it but never did.)  But I found the movie to be a bit flat and under-developed, as if John Madden wasn&#8217;t quite sure what to do with the material he was provided.  I didn&#8217;t think it was bad.  I just expected a bit more.  I&#8217;m always a bit disappointed when a film&#8217;s level of artistry can&#8217;t match its level of intellect.</p>
<p>And speaking of intellect, yours is fine, dear.  You&#8217;re one of the more astute persons I know and your views are perfectly valid, as if you or anyone else needed me to validate anything.  Which you don&#8217;t.  Mine is just one more turd on the dungheap of opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean about intelligence inferiority. Although I always loved my literature and film classes in college and the opportunity to delve into texts a little deeper, if left to my own devices I&#039;m a much shallower reader/viewer. At times, in fact, I felt like we were disecting the texts too much. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean about intelligence inferiority. Although I always loved my literature and film classes in college and the opportunity to delve into texts a little deeper, if left to my own devices I&#8217;m a much shallower reader/viewer. At times, in fact, I felt like we were disecting the texts too much. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.</p>
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